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Old 10-11-2007, 07:21 AM
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Question Are We to Remove God Completely from Our Nation?

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According to U.S. Representative Marilyn Musgrave, our nation’s legislators are now prohibited from using references to God in certificates of authenticity accompanying flags flown over the Capitol and bought by constituents. Such references include: "under God" in the pledge, "God bless you," or "in the year of our Lord, 2007." Never before has this official prohibition been leveled.

Architect of the Capitol Steven Ayers said he has removed the words because reference to God and the Lord may offend some Americans. He now prohibits them from being placed on official documents such as flag certificates.

Musgrave was astonished when she flew a flag over the U.S. Capitol building as a tribute to a senior citizen, and the accompanying certificate she received was edited with all religious references removed.

The congresswoman was more astounded when, upon further investigation, she discovered the certificate was censored by order of The Architect of the Capitol, an unelected very low-level official who manages the flag office.

Responding to a request for a flag flown over the United States Capitol in honor of a World War II veteran's 81st birthday, the congresswoman ordered the flag and a certificate to state: "This flag was flown for Mr. John Doe on the occasion of his 81st birthday, the eleventh day of July, in the year of our Lord, 2007. Thank you, Grandpa, for showing me what it is to be a true patriot -- to love God, family, and country. We love you!"

When the flag and certificate came back from the flag office, each reference to the Lord and God were removed. A group of lawmakers confronted architect Stephen Ayers seeking to find where he had the authority to restrict their freedom of speech and religious expression. Ayers refused to give the lawmakers a clear justification of his authority to delete the religious references. For more information: Capitol flag policy assailed
I received this in an email today, and cannot confirm the original source of this text. I do know that this is something that has been happening for quite some time, and that the religious references in our Nation's literature and official documents have come under increasing attack.

I was wondering what some of the feelings are out there on this subject. I personally think that if America wants God removed from our way of life, then maybe the Atheists and the ACLU should start campaigns to get Atheist politicians voted into office to make such legislation. I know we have a separation of Church and State, and that we should not force religion upon anyone. But something about the founding fathers using their religious-based morals and beliefs to write all the most important documents in our country just makes me wonder if it's a good idea to completely remove God from all aspects of our nation.

I also don't think that personal messages (referencing the text I quoted) about God should be removed. Removing official government references to God is one thing, but removing family member's personal messages referring to God is just wrong. I'm referring to "Thank you, Grandpa, for showing me what it is to be a true patriot -- to love God, family, and country. We love you!"
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Old 10-12-2007, 04:37 AM
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Re: Are We to Remove God Completely from Our Nation?

Hey Vis,

You know where I am going to side on this one. I must admit that I am not the most religious person in the world. I would consider myself agnostic even. That said, I don't understand what the big deal is with the reference to God. What are people afraid of? I just don't understand. If you are that offended by the reference to God, you have to get a life and get over it. There are a million other problems that are more important than that.

This is the way I see it. The first amendment states the following:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

The word God does not equate to "establishing" a religion. That is reason number one why they are wrong to remove the reference.

As far as I can tell, removing the reference actually breaks the law because in a sense you are prohibiting the free expression of religion.

This is getting old. This is the greatest country in the world and we did it with religion being a part of daily life. I can't be all that bad.
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